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Randomizer wrote:

Asgard The Elder wrote:Possibly BW Droped another hint in dropped journal pages refering to Dwarves an resembling the Orakur?

It wasn't that they resembled them physically, but that their runes were similar. Also both seem to be underground in their lifestyles.

AH! a bit of a red herring. Will have to wait and see what BW & crew bring us in the next installment then.

Asgard The Elder wrote:

Randomizer wrote:

Asgard The Elder wrote:Possibly BW Droped another hint in dropped journal pages refering to Dwarves an resembling the Orakur?

It wasn't that they resembled them physically, but that their runes were similar. Also both seem to be underground in their lifestyles.

AH! a bit of a red herring. Will have to wait and see what BW & crew bring us in the next installment then.

Actually, at least a 'kinship' between The Orakur and Dwarves has already been implied - check out this historical timeline divined from Book I:

409 - First reports of the Orakur in Loneloft.

419 - Skirmishes with Orakur arise over mining.

423 - The Plague Wars break out with the Orakur. Dwarves refuse to fight, and leave Thaermore, making Thaermore a region predominated by Men.

435 - Marr elected first Chancellor of Thaermore. Commonwealth Guard established; founding of Commonwealth Guard helps to turn the tide in the war against the Orakur.

444 - Orakur defeated and driven underground. Chancellor Marr declares victory. Relations between Men and Dwarves suffer because of war.

I mean, I suppose relations with the Dwarves suffered because The Orakur started displacing some Dwarves from underground. But I always read this sequence of events as evidence that The Orakur and Dwarves were allied.

However, I will note something else BW said in that thread:

[circa Year 300] A bright light falls from the sky. A great thunder is heard in the west. Rarely mentioned in mainstream history books, this event is acknowledged in many religious texts and arcane rituals.

This quote from BW would seem to support the "Sci-Fi" interpretation of The Orakur's origin.

I guess we'll find out!

I wanted to bump this post with some thoughts from my play thru I mentioned earlier. This Circ 300 line is got to be the Orakur arrival. However, as I mentioned we have details from Book II that still lead to them be terestrial not extra-terestrial. The captured Orakur does not say space or stars at all. He specifically says heaven and ether. There is also the picture which shows a strange city in the clouds. The machines were powered by magic as was indicated in the journal pages. I am going to run a play through and look at every bit of text I can to compile more clues. What do you guys think of this?

Jedi_Learner wrote:

[circa Year 300] A bright light falls from the sky. A great thunder is heard in the west. Rarely mentioned in mainstream history books, this event is acknowledged in many religious texts and arcane rituals.

Can this information be found in Book I or II? I don't remember. According to Korren this is around the time Pontum Oblivitis, founder of Crius Vindica, swears an oath to prevent the unity of the Crux to some shadowy being.

I am not sure if this information is actually in the game anywhere. It is in the Book I forum in the time line thread and is a direct excerpt from information supplied by BW for that thread.

I have not had the opportunity to start my play thru with looking at all the dialogue for the Orakur but should be starting that game soon.