Cartography Skill Table

[Painted Lady]

The lava fields are in Amireth - directly across from Pickaroon Island - on the way to Talushorn. They are where the Brimstone Spiders hang out.

[Evnissyen]

Aww... I have to wait that long? Sigh... .

Well, I suppose in Book 1 it was also a while before we were able to see lava... .


EDIT: By the way, about the lighter-brown objects... one of them seems to be tree stumps, another is chests. So... there appear to be several different objects -- generally made of wood -- that are all colored a brown lighter than the path brown or the barrens brown... so I won't even bother with all of them.

Anyway: just updated the list. Added the 10-point one after a test at level-up. I don't expect to be seeing any higher levels than that unless I end up spending money on cartography training, or on a book... which is doubtful, at least for a while... or unless I find more equipment to boost my cartography score.


EDIT#2: Well... I take that back. At some point I'm going to have to add a couple points in cartography so I can start wearing other sorts of amulets... unless, again, I find some other sort of equipment... .

[Evnissyen]

Added level 11. Didn't see any change but I'll have to give it a little more testing.

Levels 12-14 coming soon.

[IJBall]

OK, playing around with the Reveal Map spell on this issue. (Every level cast in Reveal Map boosts my Cartography (from zero!) to Levels 3/6/9/12/15/18...)

Up through Level 6 in Cartography, the "ground" inside the Farrock caves is still colored 'Green' - but between Level 3 and Level 6, secret compartments and broken barrels show up as 'Plum', and doors do show up as 'Green' (which is completely consistent with what's in Nissyen's table! ). Also, somewhere between Levels 3 and 6 in Cartography, stone walls begin to show up as 'Dark Brown' (or 'Black'?...).

By Level 9, the floor of Farrock caves has now turned 'Brown' (which happens at Level 7, according to Nissyen's table). So, far so good. However, I do notice that explosive barrels aren't showing up as 'Red' even by Level 9. And levers aren't showing up as Blue yet either.

Even at Level 12, explosive barrels still aren't showing up as 'Red'. But by Level 12, levers have turned 'Blue' (just like Nissyen's table says!), and treasure chests start to show up as 'Gold' (based on Nissyen's table, the latter must happen at either Level 10 or Level 12 in Cartography).

However, by Level 15, explosive barrels are finally showing up as 'Red'. Also, by Level 15, objects such as caldrons start to show up as 'Dark Brown' (or 'Black'?...), and torches begin showing up as 'Orange'.

Finally, between Levels 15 and 18 in Cartography, NPCs and mobs begin to show up on the Minimap as black-bordered-red circles. So, you get almost everything you need out of Cartography by Level 15 (or Reveal Map cast at Level 5), but you need to go at least one Level higher if you want the capability to spot mobs (or NPCs) on your Minimap.

A few things I've noted along the way (some of which I've mentioned over in the Needed Fixes, and Suggestions, for v1.05 thread):

• open barrels do not appear as a uniquely-colored dot, as they did in Book I (something I'd like to see changed - maybe make them 'Plum' too...)
• torch stands (and lamp posts) also do not get a unique color (IMO, they should be colored 'Orange', just like torches)
• fountains (as opposed to wells) seem to appear a similar 'green' color as grasslands (or, at least, a 'Turquoise' color) instead of more definitive 'Blue' color (e.g. like wells)
• up/down stairs do not appear at all (at least not uniquely) on maps! (edit: actually, stairs do get a color - it just happens to be the same color as the floor of Farrock caves; but stairs show up as 'Darker Brown' dots on 'Gray' stone floors...)
• neither do the walls of Farrock cave, or the large rocks/boulder formations you find there, which means it looks like the Farrock caves have "no border" on the Minimap

I intend to buy Level 1, and then Level 2, in Cartography soon, so I can look at Cartography levels in between Levels 3/6/9/12/15/18 after casting the Reveal Map spell. Stay tuned!...

Edit: OK, so it looks like NPCs and mobs show up on the Minimap at Level 16 Cartography (or Level 1 in Cartography + a Reveal Map spell cast at Level 5). So Level 16 is probably as high as you'll ever need to go in Cartography (just like Book I)...

[Evnissyen]

Thanks, IJ. I've added more to the table, made guesses on several items that appear between 3&4 and between 5&6, but haven't been able to pinpoint. (I no longer have the saved games that would've allowed me to do so.)

I went searching for the treasure chests, but wooden chests, at 11 points, are dark brown. So... you must be referring to the gold chests. If you can remember any easily accessible places where you found any: let me know so I can check.

On torches & powder kegs: Yeah, let me know if you're able to pinpoint those.

I've just noticed, also, that wells (that's wElls, not wAlls) appear as grey, but I haven't looked into where that happens at. My guess is that it happens at 3 points.

[yariel]

...
buy compass instead ...
it's cheap and will give starting point to reach the trainer ...
(sell it when you have meet the trainer ...)

[IJBall]

Dunno if Nissyen is around right now - but I thought I'd report back that I have done a little more work with purchased-Cartography at Levels 1 and 2 combined with a Reveal Map spell cast at Levels 1-5.

Based on this recent work, I can confirm some things now (I've italicized things below that need to be changed...):

[Level 3]: major objects & signs , metallic walls(?) , fences(?) , random objects(?) , all else is filled
[Level 4]: no change
[Level 5]: indoor floors , major pathways , roads , water and shallows , barrels(?) , broken barrels and [located] secret compartments

OK, I can confirm that stone walls (are there any "metallic" walls in Eschalon?!...) do start showing up as a darker brown, but it happens at Level 4 Cartography, not Level 3! (So there's at least one change at Level 4...)

Also, as far as I can confirm, Fences appear at Level 5, not at Level 3.

And indoor floors, stone roads, and water definitely shows up at Level 5 (pretty much just like Book I). So, the revised Cartography List is:

Level 3: major objects & signs , random objects(?) , all else is filled
Level 4: stone walls
Level 5: indoor floors , major pathways , roads , fences , water and shallows , barrels(?) , broken barrels and [located] secret compartments

Meanwhile, I think I've pretty well been able to re-confirm the following...:

[Level 6]: doors
[Level 7]: minor pathways , all outdoor tiles, beaches , random shorelines , barren lands , dead grass , tunnels/dirt
[Level 10]: levers & random shorelines (the latter have changed from dark to lighter brown)

And here's what I've recently been able to confirm on my own using Cartography+Reveal Map spell:

Level 12: treasure chests, drawers & loot sacks
Level 14: wall-torches; explosive barrels
Level 16: NPC's & mobs show up up as black-bordered red dots

Just a couple of issues remain:

• My Mage isn't far enough along in the game to check on when Lava fields start showing up on the Minimap, but if I had to guess I'd say that likely happens at Level 9...
• Haven't focused on Wells (or "fountain" water) yet, but they must show up between Levels 5-12 in Cartography
• The other thing is that I have not been able to reproduce the earlier thing I saw where I got 'loot sacks' to show up as 'plum'-colored dots at Level 9, a la broken barrels/secret compartments - it may be that my earlier experience is a "bug" that only happens on certain (Mistfell) maps

But I think we've nearly got the full Cartography Table now!

(P.S. One other note - based on BW's recent Minimap pic for the Fathamurk expansion (FAQ), it is possible that a number of these Cartography colors will change with v1.05 of Book II. Just a warning to everyone!... )

[Evnissyen]

Been busy, lately.

Thanks, IJ: edits made.

Other than the metallic walls (I'd say they're not stone): let me know if you've been able to pinpoint any of the items marked with the (?).

On treasure chests: I'm wondering what sorts of chests appear as yellow: only the gold chests? Or all chests? Like I said before I've only been able to check up to 11 points and didn't see any of the chests change color.

Loot bags: I've been seeing these as purple all along, it's not a bug. Are you really seeing them as yellow? I don't know why BW would have them change from purple to yellow at 12 points. Or... why would they only appear on the Mistfell map? (The only other map I've been to, so far, is Nor'land, but I don't remember if I changed any wolves into lootbags there or not, my guess is I did, in which case I imagine they would've shown up purple so as not to surprise me by being yellow . . . but I'd have to check it again.)

I haven't played this game for a little while... I really have to get back into it. Soon.